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	<description>Paul Currion struggles to explain himself.</description>
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		<title>By: Paul Currion</title>
		<link>http://www.currion.net/2008/03/04/moralising-about-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-217</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Currion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Khatuna - exactly. Political change at the global level won't happen without individual change first. Steven Pinker makes the same mistake in his recent article in the NYT, which I blog about &lt;a href="http://www.currion.net/2008/03/07/moralising-about-climate-change-part-2/" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Khatuna - exactly. Political change at the global level won&#8217;t happen without individual change first. Steven Pinker makes the same mistake in his recent article in the NYT, which I blog about <a href="http://www.currion.net/2008/03/07/moralising-about-climate-change-part-2/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Khatuna Sakvarelidze</title>
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		<dc:creator>Khatuna Sakvarelidze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That kind of statement could be a perfect excuse for inertion, which with already little involvement would do no good at all. Civilization has not gone through all the way of evolution just to abandon itself to fatalism. And if apocalypse IS avoidable, on what principium would humanity deprive itself of such possibility? 

Rather than verbalising about such, foreguessing the future or analysing the past, mass awareness of the menace of the climate change is the most urgent content I reckon. That’s true, that the issue has been widely voiced in various media recently, but from my own experience I can say, that it still stays in narrow circles of the society and the ordinary man is not receptive to this information, or not enough to act.  There is large number of people in my daily life who hardly “find time” to ponder over the problem, if at all. Not mentioning doing something for solving. With his own priorities and burdens, incorporated little luxuries and worked out habits average human is living his busy life, earning his bread, raising his children and even if he is aware how grave the situation is, he still tends to hope that whoever the responsible is, would “invent” something to stop the disaster. I consider relaying information the way it would be accessible to each and all is the most urgent requirement of today- waking, reminding, motivating, even shacking if necessary. Maybe going as far as using powerful visual presentations like primetime ads or huge billboards or even introducing legal responsibilities. I am not talking about terrifying, that would, on contrary, paralyze. Neither about appeal to emotion, but skilfully tailored campaigns at all levels. Human being needs a drive for action not just hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That kind of statement could be a perfect excuse for inertion, which with already little involvement would do no good at all. Civilization has not gone through all the way of evolution just to abandon itself to fatalism. And if apocalypse IS avoidable, on what principium would humanity deprive itself of such possibility? </p>
<p>Rather than verbalising about such, foreguessing the future or analysing the past, mass awareness of the menace of the climate change is the most urgent content I reckon. That’s true, that the issue has been widely voiced in various media recently, but from my own experience I can say, that it still stays in narrow circles of the society and the ordinary man is not receptive to this information, or not enough to act.  There is large number of people in my daily life who hardly “find time” to ponder over the problem, if at all. Not mentioning doing something for solving. With his own priorities and burdens, incorporated little luxuries and worked out habits average human is living his busy life, earning his bread, raising his children and even if he is aware how grave the situation is, he still tends to hope that whoever the responsible is, would “invent” something to stop the disaster. I consider relaying information the way it would be accessible to each and all is the most urgent requirement of today- waking, reminding, motivating, even shacking if necessary. Maybe going as far as using powerful visual presentations like primetime ads or huge billboards or even introducing legal responsibilities. I am not talking about terrifying, that would, on contrary, paralyze. Neither about appeal to emotion, but skilfully tailored campaigns at all levels. Human being needs a drive for action not just hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Currion</title>
		<link>http://www.currion.net/2008/03/04/moralising-about-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-215</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Currion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 16:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mat - I thought the point about eco-survivalism was that you didn't need a lot of money or property? While I'm in a contrary frame of mind, however, I think it's pretty obvious who will be hit the worst - people without a lot of money, same as always. Two thoughts spring immediately to mind: 1) focus on poverty reduction as the best means of mitigation, and 2) don't be poor. Lots of opportunities for humanitarians to get rich "ironic chuckle".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mat - I thought the point about eco-survivalism was that you didn&#8217;t need a lot of money or property? While I&#8217;m in a contrary frame of mind, however, I think it&#8217;s pretty obvious who will be hit the worst - people without a lot of money, same as always. Two thoughts spring immediately to mind: 1) focus on poverty reduction as the best means of mitigation, and 2) don&#8217;t be poor. Lots of opportunities for humanitarians to get rich &#8220;ironic chuckle&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Moralising about Climate Change Part 2 &#124; The Unforgiving Minute</title>
		<link>http://www.currion.net/2008/03/04/moralising-about-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-214</link>
		<dc:creator>Moralising about Climate Change Part 2 &#124; The Unforgiving Minute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Matthew Slater</title>
		<link>http://www.currion.net/2008/03/04/moralising-about-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-213</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Slater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 04:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it is possible to contemplate an ethical dimension to 80% of humanity being wiped out from starvation and resource wars, then we should be cutting consumption in order to mitigate the damage it will do 50 years later. We may have passed tipping point in the 60s, but that doesn't mean we can't make it worse.

I've been contemplating eco-survivalism, but with little money or property, my options are few. There are so many triggers to this problem it is impossible to know who or where it will hit the worst.

In 200 years time the survivors' descendents will not mourne billions dead any more than I mourne the russian dead of WWII or the plague victims of the middle ages. Lovelock is able to be cheerful by taking the long view, and lets face it, he's likely to miss the actual holocaust.

There's an episode of South Park where the whole town learns of the imminence of global warming and all run around screaming as if it were a sudden-onset disaster. It was hilarious, but that response seems far more rational to me than 99% of the behaviour I witness every day.

With 80% of humanity about to be wiped out, what opportunities does that present for humanitarians, Paul?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it is possible to contemplate an ethical dimension to 80% of humanity being wiped out from starvation and resource wars, then we should be cutting consumption in order to mitigate the damage it will do 50 years later. We may have passed tipping point in the 60s, but that doesn&#8217;t mean we can&#8217;t make it worse.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been contemplating eco-survivalism, but with little money or property, my options are few. There are so many triggers to this problem it is impossible to know who or where it will hit the worst.</p>
<p>In 200 years time the survivors&#8217; descendents will not mourne billions dead any more than I mourne the russian dead of WWII or the plague victims of the middle ages. Lovelock is able to be cheerful by taking the long view, and lets face it, he&#8217;s likely to miss the actual holocaust.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an episode of South Park where the whole town learns of the imminence of global warming and all run around screaming as if it were a sudden-onset disaster. It was hilarious, but that response seems far more rational to me than 99% of the behaviour I witness every day.</p>
<p>With 80% of humanity about to be wiped out, what opportunities does that present for humanitarians, Paul?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Currion</title>
		<link>http://www.currion.net/2008/03/04/moralising-about-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Currion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, personally I agree with Lovelock - there's little chance that the civilisation that we live in now will survive in anything resembling its current form, and the odds of a large number of people losing their lives in the process is pretty high. What I disagree with Lovelock about is what the best strategy for preparation and mitigation of this scenario, which should clearly include environmental considerations.

Personally I was always hoping for Cloud Cities (but that's because I thought Lando Calrissian was cool), but I like the Polar Cities idea. You should try and get funding for it - guarantee there's somebody out there who would back you! Let me know when it takes off and I'll buy a room... you know, just in case....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, personally I agree with Lovelock - there&#8217;s little chance that the civilisation that we live in now will survive in anything resembling its current form, and the odds of a large number of people losing their lives in the process is pretty high. What I disagree with Lovelock about is what the best strategy for preparation and mitigation of this scenario, which should clearly include environmental considerations.</p>
<p>Personally I was always hoping for Cloud Cities (but that&#8217;s because I thought Lando Calrissian was cool), but I like the Polar Cities idea. You should try and get funding for it - guarantee there&#8217;s somebody out there who would back you! Let me know when it takes off and I&#8217;ll buy a room&#8230; you know, just in case&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny BLoom</title>
		<link>http://www.currion.net/2008/03/04/moralising-about-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-211</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny BLoom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,
Good post. Ever heard of my polar cities PR project. I sent the images to Lovelock and he told me in an email: "It may very well happen and soon."

I hope not. But it's something to think about as a possible adaptation strategy and in nothing else, as an educational tool. See my news press release here: Not Spam at all.

http://npr101.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,<br />
Good post. Ever heard of my polar cities PR project. I sent the images to Lovelock and he told me in an email: &#8220;It may very well happen and soon.&#8221;</p>
<p>I hope not. But it&#8217;s something to think about as a possible adaptation strategy and in nothing else, as an educational tool. See my news press release here: Not Spam at all.</p>
<p><a href="http://npr101.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://npr101.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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